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JerL's avatar

Interesting thoughts on why cynicism works better for the right than for left; what you say feels pretty correct to me. My sense of humour probably tends toward the cynical, but it also seems obvious to me that going too far in that direction is a dead-end politically (to be clear, I don't think that left-wing humourists should trim their sails for the benefit of left-wing political movements, it's just an observation).

It feels to me like the most successful left-wing stance is, as you say, a sarcastic temperament married to an actual moral seriousness--not only Bernie, but I think even Joe Biden embodies this to an extent: I think his "no malarkey" persona is at least an attempt to embody a crusty old ethnic white guy willingness to puncture bullshit; while obviously never in danger of being mistaken for a dirtbag edgelord.

I wonder, though, if this stance is just a harder balance to strike, and that's why it has a tendency to tip over into cringe sanctimoniousness on one side, or apathetic nihilism on the other. Like, I think of John Stewart's the Daily Show in the Bush years, or the Colbert Report, which I think walked the line successfully for a while, but nowadays I would say that the Stewart/Colbert personas come off as being pretty sanctimonious.

To offer a really half-baked theory, I wonder if this is related to the more general perception that left-wing politics seeks to build something, while right-wing politics is usually obstructive or destructive--if that's so, then a misanthropic cynicism will more or less always serve the agenda of the right. But for the left, to actually put together a movement capable of achieving lefty political goals will necessarily require some bullshit and some cant; and then one is faced with the choice of calling out that bullshit and becoming a one-note cynic with nothing positive to contribute, or of pulling your punches and coming off as self-righteous and hypocritical. That's not to say it's impossible to always strike the right balance, but it should be no surprise if figures on the left, over time, fall into one of those two camps eventually.

>> I don’t try to pander, but I also don’t really know what you people even want from me, so it’s hard to pander.

I started following you because of your writing on Third Republic France, which I thought was both interesting in itself and also an unusual political analogy for modern-day America that I thought was quite revealing. But it's actually your writing on arts and culture that I find most interesting; the stuff on the interaction between irony, cynicism, aesthetics, and politics I think is insightful, clearly written, and thought-provoking; it's also not something I think anyone else is doing quite like you.

This is not me trying to say you should write more on the latter, it's me saying: I thought I wanted something specific from your writing, but it turns out, the writing of yours I find most interesting is on a completely different, unexpected topic.

Speaking personally, I think you should trust your own sense of what you should write, because if you had asked me when I started subscribing, I would have given you an answer that in retrospect was wrong.

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Rodney's avatar

A while back you coined a nifty description of the kind of ironic nihilism mentioned here (might have been in the context of anti-anti-Russian apologists on the left, but I can’t remember). Your observation was something like, “their most pressing concern is to never appear to be deceived.” It’s a nice formulation, not least of all because it describes a type of person for whom both knowledge/truth claims and political morality are defined by little more than how they wish to be perceived. A kind of pristine narcissism. Same mechanism at play in the only campaign platform modern reactionary conservatives need to get elected - convincing both voters and themselves that they are Clint Eastwood and not Elmer Fudd. Boasts about “never being deceived” usually mean “living in a state of permanent self-deception.”

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