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Jimmy Business's avatar

I think the "attack on liberalism" framing you mention here (and you made a similar point re fascism in your interview with the American Jewish Historical Society) is absolutely right. “Liberalism” having two senses in American can be frustrating, but here the right is attacking both: the libs (anyone left-of-centre) are hounded as woke, and the boundaries of liberalism (the philosophy—rule of law etc.) are being wrestled with.

Examples of the latter are obvious—DOGE, the executive orders, threatening tariffs that have no statutory basis. They are often throwing away Liberalism specifically to attack the libs (DOGE, USAID, “fraud”).

Liberal principles are pretty dry stuff, and particularly in the States, involve respecting a lot of dumb concepts (congress/presidential system is in fact very bad). But anti-Liberal/lib procedural radicalism by a personalist leader with a popular base gives off a very specific vibe.

Obviously hypocrisy doesn’t mean much these days. And I guess I shouldn’t be shocked. But it is bizarre that, less than a decade after blathering on about Obama’s imperial presidency, congresses role, etc., Republicans are supporting the executive flouting legislation in the most flagrant ways imaginable.

I think the courts, and Trump’s response to them, are going to be extremely important to watch. The conservative legal movement has always had a bizarre relationship with the executive—it should be unfettered to do bad things (torture memo, Trump case) but as fettered as possible in doing good things. The movement won a big fight in its campaign to against the latter when it overturned Chevron deference. It’s possible that them doing so sowed a problem for Trump—the executive actions, tariffs, etc. require massive deference. There’s tension between “deconstructing the administrative state” and Trumpy governance through that state.

Now, maybe the courts are too wimpy to apply that principle neutrally when Trump’s involved. But even if you’re cynical about the Supreme Court, one version of that cynicism is they’re cozy with capital interests, and I could certainly see them striking down actions that harm those interests (e.g., tariffs). What would Trump do then? I am not sure. The Fascism thesis predicts something quite bad. And he seems to have more hatchet men on hand this go-round who will take action even when Trump himself is too lazy. At the very least, it’s hard to use judicial review to make the executive follow through on legislation in good faith.

Regrettably, this shades into criticisms levelled by the cringest/nastiest anti-trumpers. But there appears to be a genuine constitutional crisis budding, and at that point one has to say that they got some wood on the ball.

Would also say that Storr’s characterization of government soc-dems describes the goated politics, and it makes me very sad to see it under assault :(

shannon stoney's avatar

Very helpful. I was a very small child when the McCarthy era was going on, but in retrospect it explains a lot about my parents, who were young adults at the time. They kind of adopted the paranoid style of that period, and during the 1960s and early 1970s, they were afraid I would "defect" to the scary hippie/Communist side of life. (I did, of course.) My dad, now in his 90s, is still suspicious of any man with a beard. He thought that gays had infiltrated the government and were trying to get "revenge" on society. He talked a lot about how government had gotten too big. In the early 70s, he thought Medicare was bad because it was socialism (but in the end, he and his other doctor friends made a lot of money because of Medicare).

My dad is a well-educated professional, and so are his friends, but most of them became Trump supporters, as enthusiastic as the most ignorant, poorly educated people in my rural county in TN. I could never understand this, but now I think it's because he and his friends recognized the McCarthyism of their early adulthood and latched onto it again, because it was satisfying and familiar.

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