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Jules's avatar

Your first couple paragraphs reminded me of the pronoun debate with trans people. It's largely over at this point, but ten years ago trans people had to fight to get people to use correct pronouns in lots of contexts, and there were of course people who pushed back on that as an unbearable imposition.

It's a consequential example of it, but using someone's preferred pronouns could be categorized as manners (this is not to belittle the importance, I'm trans I can say it). The thing that that bugged me during the pronouns debates is that people rarely acknowledged the power that a speaker wields over a trans person by deciding which pronouns to use just based on their appearance. Many trans people go through a lot to conform to the expectations of whatever gender they transition to, and each conversation is a validation test of how successful they are. The speaker has a lot of power over someone at that point, and the respectful thing is to use it carefully.

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“ we all know that guy or gal who’s taken on the role of “bad manners person,” who can’t be bothered to learn how others want to be treated, because they are concerned with deeper and more serious pursuits, or are “realer,” or are just a free spirit unfettered by the rules of society”

I don’t know him at all, but this is exactly the sort of character that Yglesias taps into on Twitter. Whether it’s real or kayfabe I don’t know, but the elevation of bad manners as a truer form has always bothered me. It implies that people of a lower status are not capable of learning to behave with respect (not true) or that strangers and acquaintances are not worth of respect as a default (also not true).

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