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A couple of thoughts I felt were worth sharing about your article:

1. On war termination

You say “ultimately, troops just have to win battles and take territory” for Ukraine to win. We’ve both lived through two conflicts, one in Iraq and the other in Afghanistan, where the US won, by conventional terms, resounding battlefield victories and secured the terrain, only to end in something other than the clear cut victory you suggest these two factors lead to. Instead, it should clue us in to a different understanding of how wars end: when both sides agree that one is the victor and the other is the vanquished. Consider the Taliban, who simply refused to concede that defeat was the product of loss of terrain or personnel against a foe with superior numbers (at least in terms of population within coalition nations) and more sophisticated weaponry. There is a case to be made that if one side fights on then the war simply isn’t over. Despite how military buffs like to imagine it, neither seizing and holding terrain nor defeating enemy forces on the battlefield inevitably results in victory and defeat. There is an intermediate step where political leadership has to decide who won and who lost.

2. The role of technology in war

I agree with you that “strategic strikes alone have never won a war.” (Historian Mark Clodfelter makes a convincing case that the physical destruction of targets by air has never directly resulted in defeat. If you haven’t read any of his work, I strongly recommend Beneficial Bombing as a starting point). But comparing long range precision munitions to the US strategic bombing campaigns in WWII or Vietnam is comparing two dissimilar things. Consider the much-discussed ATACMS: ATACMS is a ground-fired precision weapon and cannot be used for mass aerial bombardment. Getting out of the way that it isn’t a fleet of bombers, this confuses tactical or operational effects with strategic ones. I don’t know who is suggesting to you that ATACMS or other long range munitions are strategic weapons, but they aren’t. The idea is that Ukraine could employ ATACMS (and other long range precision munitions) to disrupt Russian logistics, including those inside Russia, giving advantage to Ukrainian forces on the battlefield. I agree that there are no wonder weapons, but that doesn’t mean technology is irrelevant. You state that “any sort of concerted effort to physically destroy Russia’s infrastructure risks provoking an aggressive Russian response that could lead to all-out war with NATO, a nightmare scenario.” Even if Ukraine employed US munitions with long range capabilities to strike Russian infrastructure (instead of logistics as I’ve proposed) my question is: how is destroying Russian infrastructure different than killing Russian soldiers on the ground in Ukraine? In either case, US provided munitions are being used to diminish the military capability of Russia. You refer to this as if it’s a red line we cannot cross, but the Biden administration has very timidly approached and passed each supposed red line without consequence. Keep in mind who sets those red lines. In this case, Russia did. Conceding to that kind of blackmail only demonstrates its effectiveness.

3. Manpower and technology

You say that “with less men and materiel than Russia, Ukraine’s options are limited.” If you haven’t read Stephen Biddle’s Military Power, I strongly encourage you to do so and to grapple with his argument. He makes the case that neither manpower nor technology determine battlefield outcomes. It’s a sometimes strange read given his quantitative approach, but its analysis is one I’ve returned to again and again. Please read it if you haven’t.

4. Beware flawed historical analogies

“If this business about demonstrating resolve and “commitment” sounds fishy to you it’s because it was part of the same Cold War thinking that got us increasingly entangled in Vietnam.”

Again, I think the comparison is off here. If I was accusing you of being deliberately nefarious I would say it’s a sleight of hand, but I tend to think it’s just a misunderstanding. Comparing the US backing of France and later South Vietnam against an anti-colonial insurgency is not the same as backing a democratic nation battling an invasion by an authoritarian regime. US intervention in Korea and Vietnam was predicated on a false belief in the domino theory. No one is alleging a global communist conspiracy in this case (at least not that I’m aware of). Instead of a conspiracy, this is an aggressor nation seeking to reestablish an empire. Russia is waging an imperial war, not an anti-colonial one. If you want to make a historical analogy, why the US in Vietnam instead of the Soviets in Afghanistan?

5. Postwar realism

Finally, you suggest that Ukraine needs to be realistic about its prospects for victory. We also need to be realistic about what victory looks like to Russia. Russia has a say in any negotiations (although we often talk as if this issue rests solely with Ukraine), and we have to ask what Russia’s goals are, and if any peace (which Russia has shown they will willingly violate) can be secured in the long term even with concessions. If Russia’s goals remain unchanged, peace can provide a time to better prepare for the next war. (Yes, I realize I’m leaving myself open to criticism I’m making a Munich analogy)

I hope you don’t dismiss this as “cope.” I liked When the Clock Broke and a lot of your other work, but I think there are enough flaws here that it warrants discussion. My comments are far from implying that “if the US just gave Ukraine ATACMS, then Ukraine would win.” I don’t see victory as inevitable regardless of the lethal aid the US provides - but I don’t see defeat as inevitable unless the US and other nations withdraw their support.

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Spencer Weart's avatar

Assuming that Putin is interested in the kind of deal here proposed, then the result will be a severely weakened Ukraine with, at best, guarantees from the West and Russia like the previous guarantees that were abandoned. Putin's explicit goal, the end of Ukraine as a nation, whether through another and better prepared invasion or by other means, will then obviously be only a matter of time. So the real question is, are the Ukrainians so beaten that they are willing for their children to be Russians?

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